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--[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 08:54, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
--[[User:AgProv|AgProv]] 08:54, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


== Douglas Adams' ''Shada'' ==
In the long-awaited novelisation of Adams' ''Dr Who'' script, the doctor (his Tom Baker incarnation) is in the captivity of the big Bad, who is demanding he read out a Galiffreyan book of lore containing the innermost secrets of the Time Lords. The Doctor, who genuinely cannot read the heiroglyphics of Ancient Gallifrey, duly does the best he can:-
''"Squiggle, squiggle." said the Dosctor, "Squiggle, squiggle, sort of an eye, I think, squiggle, squiggle..." I'm paraphrasing wildly, of course...  squiggle, squiggle... ssshsh, this is a good bit! Squiggle squiggle wavy line, squggle squiggle..." ''
Not assuming Douglas Adams wrote this in the original 1976 script, but his ghost-writer Garteh Roberts might be inserting a homage to Pteppic in {{P}} here?


== Yrsa Sigurdasdottir ==
== Yrsa Sigurdasdottir ==

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"Pani Poni Dash"

  • In the anime "Pani Poni Dash", episode 15, a class is stuck on a bus dangling off the edge of a cliff. Himeko, a rather hyperactive girl, deludes herself into thinking that her "aura" is what's keeping the bus from falling, hence she's supporting the whole shebang. To illustrate this, she hallucinates a brief vision of the Discworld with her head superimposed on Great A'Tuin.


"Family Guy"

He throws a stick and calls "Fetch!" (Gaspode has enough self-control to shout "You bastard!" as his doggie instinct overtakes his rational mind and he chases the stick)

In the TV animated series "Family Guy", by far the most capable, intelligent, and mature member of the Griffin family is the family dog Brian, an anthropomorphic canine who is clearly an American Roundworld cousin of Gaspode, (but cleaner)

In an episode where Brian ends up improbably married to Lois Griffin after the (presumed) death of ignoramus paterfamilias Peter, Brian becomes suspicious of her absences and suspects she is having an affair.

Uncomfortably aware his probing questions are getting too close to the truth, Lois resorts to throwing a ball. Brian, unable to help his fundamental doggy instinct, chases it, but pauses to call her a bitch...

Interestingly enough, a recurring character in Family Guy is Death, who is a skeletal figure in a black robe toting a scythe, but who lacks the essential gravitas of Discworld's Death... well, all lesser Deaths are subjects of Azrael...

(Moving Pictures - published 1990; Family Guy first aired on TV in 1999)

There is also an episode of Family Guy, screened here by BBC3 on 9/12/12, where for reasons too intricate to summarise, an evil robotic version of Miley Cyrus/Hannah Montana grabs the evil monkey living in Chris Griffin's closet, and climbs up a very high building with her simian hostage. Somebody on FG's production staff must read Pratchett....

In an episode of the related animation American Dad, aired in Britain during September 2010, ultra-conservative American father of the title, CIA agent Stan Smith, is pursuing his dream of disposing of daughter Hayley's hippie slacker boyfriend. In a conversation that arouses Stan's sympathies, the boyfriend, who is underweight and totes a scraggly beard, discloses that "my mother ran away before I was born" - exactly Rincewind's description of his parentage... Hayley's slacker BF also role-plays a not-very-good wizard on an Internet "World of Warcraft" fantasy game.

"Life on Mars"

  • Night Watch - centres on a honest copper thrown back thirty years in time to right a wrong and enable him to return to his present, exactly as he left it. The honest copper is confronted with the slightly primitive policing techniques of the past, and introduces elements of sensitive modern policing on a force not quite mentally equipped to accept it.

The BBC TV series Life On Mars, by stunning coincidence, centres on a honest copper thrown back thirty years in time to right a wrong and enable him to return to his present, exactly as he left it. The honest copper is confronted with the slightly primitive policing techniques of the past, and introduces elements of sensitive modern policing on a force not quite mentally equipped to accept it.

It would appear that the book was released slightly before the TV series was conceived, but there may not be much in it...


Lindsey Davis' "Falco"

  • The Roman detective novel Saturnalia, by self-confessed Pratchett-admirer Lindsey Davis, includes in its 26th chapter three witches who would have been at home in Lancre: they dress up to ensure they look like witches, don't suffer fools gladly and complain about the problems of modern witchcraft; the third witch, Daphne, is in fact absent because - Nanny Ogg-like - she has to look after her grandchildren.

Saturnalia feels like a rich seam of Pratchett references! For instance, the character of Zosmio, who flaps around the cemetery in a white sheet pretending to be dead, and "haunting" the place - who else is this but Duke Leonal Felmet in his final insanity?

And the Vigiles of the fourth precinct have a lot in common with the Night Watch of the early Samuel Vimes era. At their Saturnalia party, one watchman dresses up as "a six-foot tall carrot", for instance.

The policing set-up in Vespasian's Rome places the Royal Palace under the control of the Praetorian Guard, a bunch of haughty bullies puffed up with their own self-importance who enjoy throwing their weight around, especially against ethnic minorities and a despised lowly group such as the Vigiles (Night Watch). Compare this to the Palace Guard, two of whose finest want to beat up Vimes just for annoying them (in Guards! Guards!), and Mayonnaise Quirke's Day Watch with its speciesist attitude to trolls and dwarfs.

The Vigile (Watchman) Fusculus is described in terms reiniscent of a rather more intelligent, slightly quirkier, version of Fred Colon. ("Fusculus" may come from a Latin root meaning "to confuse, to bamboozle" - confirmation anyone?) No sighting of an Ancient Roman Nobby Nobbs yet, but I haven't finished reading the book!

"Fishing from the same stream", as Terry phrases it, Lindsey Davis also has the Lord of Misrule at Saturnalia be "randomly" selected by getting the fateful bean in their lunch. Compare this to those earthly avatars of the Hogfather, who were "randomly" selected for sacrifice by getting the bean. And the Roman Saturnalia and Discworld's Hogswatch are, of course, aspects of the same universal midwinter festival.

The resemblence, especially nasally, between Rome and the river Tiber to Ankh-Morpork and the Ankh, is also apparent from the books. Falco is a product of, and still lives in, the Shades of ancient Rome. His landlord is a CMOT Dibbler type who has tried various failed shortcuts to getting seriously rich.

At this point in Roman history, it should be noted, as L.D. explicitly does, that the lowly-born Emperor Vespasian (the first of the Flavian line) is very explicitly not a Patrician. As viewed through the eyes of central character, plebian-born Marcus Didius Falco (who is suspiciously Vimes-like in terms of cynicism), it was the patrician (ie, most illustrious, well-bred, and noble) Claudian line of Caesars who got Rome into the mess it is in today. Such Divine Caesars as Caligula and Nero were, in Falco's eyes, so well-bred as to be inbred. Note L.D.'s use of the word "patrician" in its correct Roman context, as well as the reminder about the extremely insane Caesars who did things such as make a favourite horse into a Senator. (And the Ankh-Morpork parellel is Lord Snapcase, possibly?)

Oh, and the most blatantly obvious parellel between Lindsey Davis and Terry Pratchett is so obvious I missed it: the central character, Marcus Didius Falco, the private investigator, is, socially speaking, a product of the Roman gutter who from time to time goes on ruinous drinking benders. He is a born detective, part of whose pay goes on a sort of "widow's pension" for his dead brother's girlfriend and child. The love of his life (Helena Justina) is a woman from a vastly higher social class - in fact, the nobility - who is independently wealthy and can afford to flaut convention. Although there is no record of Helena obsessively breeding any sort of animal, this spookily parellels Sam Vimes and Lady Sybil. (Although for a while Falco had the title of Keeper of the Royal Geese, as a personal gift from Vespasian, their only family pet is an ill-behaved scruffy mutt called Nux).

The rather spiky relationship between Falco and Emperor Vespasian also has echoes of Vimes and Vetinari. Vespasian insists on the minimum of ceremony and puts up with near-insolence from his Imperial Investigator, perhaps because he knows Falco gets results, or perhaps because he likes having somebody around who doesn't refrain from speaking his mind. (Falco is no friend of the Imperial system: he makes no secret, even to the Emperor, that he prefers the more egalitarian set-up of Republican Rome to that of the Empire. Just as Vimes reluctantly serves Vetinari while wanting to overthrow him and replace him with something better, Falco works for Vespasian and gives him grudging respect, whilst pining for something better that doesn't include Emperors or Kings. In both cases, Helena Justina and Sybil Ramkin, as women from noble families who have faithfully served and advised rulers past and present, are on hand to soothe over any little misunderstandings.)

And L.D., in her author's notes, also talks about the concept of tribute plagiarism, of assimilating and paying homage to the best ideas of another author by recycling them in your own work, putting your own mark on them, and seeing if anyone notices.

(March 2009) - Alexandria, Lindsey Davis's latest release in the Falco series, sees the husband-and-wife detective team, Marcus Didius and Helena Justina, travel to North Africa, ostensibly on a family holiday to Egypt.

However, the most prestigious University in the Roman Empire is simultaneously beset with murder among the Faculty. Is it a case of younger, ambitious and status-hungry academics ensuring their promotion by terminally accelerating the retirement plans of the men above them? As an accredited Imperial Investigator with the personal trust of the Emperor, Falco is roped in to investigate. Compare this to Vimes having the trust of Vetinari and being sent out of the City on missions combining policing expertise and a unique diplomatic skill, sometimes requiring the intervention of his socially better-bred wife.

We meet a very aesthetic art expert (Sir Reynold?), two local policemen with a suspiciously Nobbs and Colon aura about them, and members of the Alexandria University faculty who are as quarrelsome, fractious, and incapable of grasping reality, as any in a Faculty we know. Some of whom manifest very familiar vibes - the Head of Philosophy is a big harrumphing bear of a man whose mind runs on fairly rigid rails, for instance, and who isn't especially interested in other people's ideas unless they chime with his.

There is also an issue concerning the Librarian. And a bright young postgraduate with deep ideas. And priests of a syncretic religion with big ideas. Who have access to Sodek the sacred crocodile as an instrument of applied theology.


And all this in the first quarter of the book...--AgProv 23:05, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

The latest book in the Falco series is called Nemesis.

Spotting LD's tribute plagiarisms is beginning to be fun. But in this latest episode, Falco is forced to go to a spirit medium for help (and he is left slightly spooked where she gets one thing right that she could not possibly have guessed.)

The medium is small, dressed in faded vermilion red, and wears garlands and an item of headwear consisting partly of feathers but mainly reproductions of fruit. She is irascible of temper and insists on making nettle tea before she goes to work, sending pungent vegetable odours drifting across the seance room. Falco, cynical and streetwise, gives credit to her for knowing how people work and putting on an appropriate show. But this lady evokes Madame Tracy whilst looking like Mrs Evadne Cake and gives Falco that one wavering moment of wondering if there's something in it after all...

Falco is also charged with bringing to book a ghastly criminal family, composed of a hideous overbearing monster of a mother and the thuggish sons she has alternately doted on and terrified into submission. The Claudii family come over as a Roman echo of Ma Lilywhite and her sons (although one of them isn't above hitting girls).


--AgProv 12:49, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Cory Doctorow

From historical whodunnit to science fiction. Cory Doctorow's novel Makers is about a very close future, where a new wave of computer innovation backed by a co-operative capitalism akin to anarchism, brings about something like the replicators of Stargate-SG1. On page 110, Geoff, who defines himself as a "chemist", remarks on drinking some really good (if chemically enhanced) coffee (Splot?). Quote:-

"Marthter, the creathathure awaketh!" he said, in high Igor.

Later on in "Makers", the two computer inventors, Lester and Perry, create a Cabinet of Cuiriosities all of their very own...

I'm not sure about the Cabinet of Curiousities-these can be found in many museums. A strong coffee isn't particularly notable on the Discworld isn't it? The Igors is probably the most Discworld, and even then it could come from Hammer Horror. Marmosetpower 20:17, 8 November 2011 (CET)

Alan Gordon

Alan Gordon (born 1959) is the author of several mysteries, the first of which is based on the characters from William Shakespeare's Twelfth Night. He writes about jesters as advisers to the king, who actually make up a super-secret spy ring that try to keep peace and control the leaders of different countries. The Fool's Guild of these novels is portrayed as a mockery to the church, and they refer to Jesus Christ as "Their Saviour, the First Fool".

Alan Gordon began writing his novels about fools and jesters as a supra-national spy ring in 1999. This is exactly the same idea TP came up with a year or two earlier to explain the survival of the Fools' and Clowns' Guild into the modern era - that the Guild's graduates go everywhere, end up in some very high places, and periodically report back to Doctor Whiteface. Making him both very rich and very powerful.

Is it possible AG got the basic idea for the seven Fools' Guild novels from Pratchett? [1]

--AgProv 08:54, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Douglas Adams' Shada

In the long-awaited novelisation of Adams' Dr Who script, the doctor (his Tom Baker incarnation) is in the captivity of the big Bad, who is demanding he read out a Galiffreyan book of lore containing the innermost secrets of the Time Lords. The Doctor, who genuinely cannot read the heiroglyphics of Ancient Gallifrey, duly does the best he can:-

"Squiggle, squiggle." said the Dosctor, "Squiggle, squiggle, sort of an eye, I think, squiggle, squiggle..." I'm paraphrasing wildly, of course... squiggle, squiggle... ssshsh, this is a good bit! Squiggle squiggle wavy line, squggle squiggle..."

Not assuming Douglas Adams wrote this in the original 1976 script, but his ghost-writer Garteh Roberts might be inserting a homage to Pteppic in Pyramids here?

Yrsa Sigurdasdottir

Icelandic crime fiction writer Yrsa Sigurdasdottir's debut novel Last rituals deals with scurrilous goings-on among postgraduate students at the University of Iceland, who have taken their PhD in Icelandic ritual magic seriously, to the point of practically testing whether the old magic rituals and curses still work in the modern world. She passes on the snippet that a legendary founder of the academic tradition in Iceland was a mediaeval wizard, whose statue still takes pride of place in front of the main University building where everyone can see it. As well as this, there is a visit to a museum of native Icelandic magic, where a minor plot-point concerns whether or not a Viking artefact, a large stone collection bowl used to contain the blood of a sacrifical victim, is the real thing, or if it has been surreptitiously switched with a modern replica and the original stolen for some nefarious purpose... has Terry been translated into Icelandic, or are these two points part of the universal pool of plot-points drawn on for Thud! and the general layout of Unseen University? --AgProv 00:34, 6 April 2011 (CEST)

John Moore

  • In John Moore's Slay and Rescue there's a mention of a shoemaker who made luxury (and impossible to wear) shoes before quitting and becoming the chief torturer for king Bruno of Omnia. (The Czech translation made the reference to Small Gods even more explicit, translating "chief torturer" as "chief inquisitor".)
  • The book Bad Prince Charlie by John Moore has a footnote where the author says that it's a good idea to use footnotes because Terry Pratchett uses them and people like his books, after all.

Dragon Magazine

  • In Issue 293, an article on minor deities appears, titled "Small Gods." To further drive home the reference, the first illustration is of a not particularly bright looking man stranded in the desert being approached by a robed figure with the head of a bull.