Talk:Samuel Vimes

Is this still a stub? - Stlemur 05:18, 22 December 2005 (CET)

As long as it's Article of the Week it is. Hopefully, after that, not anymore. --Sanity 16:30, 22 December 2005 (CET)

An odd coincidence: It occurred to me that Sam's elevation to a Dukedom must have come as a result of TP's appointment as OBE. No, that was the year after Jingo was published, so the two anti-monarchists got titles almost at the same time, but independently. --Old Dickens 18:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Has it occurred to anyone else that Sam's title of "Duke" makes him the second highest "noble" of Ankh-Morpork? Assuming that "Patrician" is the highest rank - unless Cpt. Carrot ever exercises his right to the throne and that the Peerage of Ankh-Morpork follows the English tradition. That's got to stick in Lord Rust's throat..... --Megahurts 11:46, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

A very good reason for Vetinari to make him up to Duke, in that case! --AgProv 12:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

A thought occuring on Dukes and Earls

NobbyNobbs very nearly - and legitimately?- became Earl of Ankh, so that the plotters might try to elevate him to a puppet King and usurp Vetinari. Now what if Vetinari decided that this danger could best be blocked in the future by having the right person become Duke of Ankh instead of an Earl? --AgProv 15:22, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Also... if Vimes' knighthood and Terry's OBE coincided, what are to make of Terry's current elevation to a "Sir". If advancement of one precurs advancement of the other, where next for Sam? --AgProv 10:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I thought he was the highest rank, socially, the Patrician being a mere politician (and ignoring the once and future King.) He is also the wealthiest citizen. Nearly everything sticks in Lord Ronnie's throat, but no one seems to care, since Jingo. --Old Dickens 12:26, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

He also seems to have some parallels with Sir Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington; Vimes was created a Duke after the events of Jingo, whereas Wellington received his after defeating Napoleon in the Battle of Vitoria. The Duke of Wellington is the most senior member of the peerage, as it appears is Vimes. Wellington's nickname was the Iron Duke, whereas "Stoneface" Vimes could become the Stone Duke. Wellington however appears to have embraced new technology (shrapnel shells and rockets) and we all know how Sam feels about gadgets. Interestingly Wellington went on to be Prime Minister. --Megahurts 14:11, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Another referent for "Stoneface" could be the American Civil War general "Stonewall" Jackson, whose nickname was conferred for two reasons: personally, his expression was notoriously inscrutable, and could close down to the point where he "presented the aspect of a stone wall" and didn't betray what he was really thinking. (He was perhaps good at poker). Secondly, his armies never broke, regardless of what was thrown at them - he was a doggedly stoic defensive general at just the time the Confederacy needed one (the Union armies were threatening Richmond, the Confederacy's capital). His troops were the "stone wall" against which the enemy broke.

Sam Vimes' comment at the end of "Jingo", after duping Ronnie Rust into burning his fingers - "The trick is to pretend that it doesn't hurt" - might originally have been attributed to Jackson. (Ag Prov, despite the numbers)

"Old Stoneface" has been applied to any number of people, but I can't find any reference to Oliver Cromwell being called that. He was known as "Old Ironsides", apparently. Jackson sounds more like a Rust than a Vimes, alternately reckless and dithering. --Old Dickens 14:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Cameo

Anyone else think that his appearance in Monstrous Regiment is really a cameo? He's definitely not a central character. --Fhh98 01:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd say more of a guest star; it's a fairly important part, Fifth Business plotting and manipulating behind the action. --Old Dickens 03:02, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Editing

This article has accumulated several repetitions (e.g. angry man, assassins) and grammatical glitches. It could stand a moderate kicking.

Well said, that man (whoever he was)! This is a mess. According to custom, it's my job to edit it but I don't know if I have the strength, and previous discussion has agreed that anyone may blather on to his heart's content. I don't know what to do about it. --Old Dickens (talk) 02:17, 6 October 2013 (GMT)

I agree, and am trying to kick it a little. In my opinion, the article also paints Vimes too dark; I'm trying to add more detail and context, while not deleting too much. Clearing it is surley a job for more than one. Please forgive a non-native speaker, if he adds more grammatical glitches ;-) --EinFritz (talk) 10:54, 7 October 2013 (GMT)

A woman?

Although it is stated that Vimes was "brung low by a woman", in most cases shortly after this he is drunk and talks about Ankh-Morpork being a woman. Am I alone here, or is there a possible connection? --Confusion (talk) 07:23, 22 December 2013 (GMT)

There was a woman he was briefly and calamitously involved with before Sybil; the memory is one of the bad ones that flashes before his eyes every time he has a Near-Death experience. Mavis Trouncer...AgProv (talk) 15:52, 23 December 2013 (GMT)

Portrait

Here's a better Vimes than most...[1] --Old Dickens (talk) 23:27, 18 February 2015 (UTC)