Talk:Willikins

Isn't there a reference in Night Watch to Willikins being just the mere under-boy's assistant gofer, or something equally minimalist, in the Ramkin householD? It's the scene where Vimes has been pitched back in time 30 years but, not being fully aware of this, sprints back "home" to a house that isn't his home any more, bursts in, demands to speak to Willikins. The then butler (who really isn't paid for this sort of thing, and certainly does not have Willikins' street-fighting acumen) gets haughty, tells Vimes that if he's family he should know better than to come to the front door... Vimes then punches him out, and is only forced to leave by a younger Sybil ("She'd been so young! She looked sixteen!" Wonderful Fanny) going for him with a two-handed broadsword in defense of old Forsythe. (At this point he realises he really HAS fallen thirty years into the past: it also enables the ungallant to put an age to Sybil). So maybe worth mentioning: Willikins has spent a lifetime in the Ramkin family service, punctuated briefly by military service. I don't have Night Watch to hand right now, though, so I can't remember Willikin's exact lowly position in the below-stairs heirarchy at this time.--AgProv 11:18, 3 December 2007 (CET)

Another thought that occurs here..... as annotation, doesn't one Bruce Wayne have a butler who is perfect in all the standard butlering skills, including the optional extras of helping to actively deter assassins, martial arts, streetfighting and so forth? As Bruce Wayne is also a crimefighter who has to wear a silly uniform involving tights, this may be pertinent--AgProv 11:24, 3 December 2007 (CET)...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Willikins has an (unnamed) appearance as the anonymous family butler of the Rankin household near the end of Guards! Guards!? He opens the door for Vimes to tell him that Sybil's around back with the dragons. Doctor Whiteface 04:19, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

He'd be very old, now, in that case. The butler at the time was named "Forsythe"; Willikins was mentioned but did not appear as the Boy. --Old Dickens 15:03, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I would agree that it was not Willikins who opened the door to Vimes at the end of Guards, Guards. I think that must have been old Forsythe, based on the description: "To his amazement the door was opened by a butler, so elderly that he might have been resurrected by the knocking." Wonderful Fanny

Regarding the connection to Jeeves, I'm not sure that Willikins could be considered as more intelligent than Sam, and also appears to set great store by Sam's opinions (from memory he seeks reassurance about joining the regiments in Jingo), something that PG Wodehose's character would not do. He reminds me more of Parker from the Thunderbirds. --Megahurts 08:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

But they all proceed from Jeeves (and The Admirable Crichton before him). --Old Dickens 15:08, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

His conflicted youth

Now, Willikins seems to have been The Boy at the Ramkin mansion at the time of the Glorious Revolution. This would have had him living in the house in Ankh and deterred from participation in the activities of the Shamlegger Street Rude Boys. It would also suggest that he was several years younger than Sam Vimes (ca. 18 years) since a lad of his talent must have advanced to Footman or such by then. How would Sam ever have encountered him in a rumble in the Shades? --Old Dickens (talk) 19:51, 26 December 2012 (PST)

Yes, old Forsythe refers to Willikins as the scullery boy in Night Watch. And I agree that Willikins' involvement in Shamlegger gang doesn't quite fit with growing up in Ramkin service. Wonderful Fanny

Guild of domestic servants

Is there a reference somewhere to Willikins having rank in a Guild of Butlers, Senior Domestic Servants and Gentlemen's Gentlemen? I'm really not sure if this is in canon or fanfic... (mind rotted by fan writing) and I don't want to add it till I'm sure it's canon...AgProv (talk) 01:46, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Someone added a Butlers' Guild to the Guilds of Ankh-Morpork page, without support. I don't remember it. Fanfic is a mixed blessing. --Old Dickens (talk) 04:22, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Found it! The Guild of Butlers, Valets and Gentlemen's Gentlemen. It's described in The Compleat Ankh-MorporkAgProv (talk) 21:59, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, indeed. In Snuff, when Sam offers Willikins a drink at the Ramkin estate, he declines, saying, "It's just not done, sir. I would be a laughingstock in the League of Gentlemen's Gentlemen if I was so impertinent as to have a drink with my employer. It would be getting ideas above my station, sir."Wonderful Fanny